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HarryLong

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 6 00 12:57 PM

>>Mr. Ken likes it a good deal, respects and admires it even more. But he admits to enjoying THE BLACK RAVEN more, which isn't the same thing.<<
I beg pardon for having misunderstood, and I fully understand the difference. There are films I am ashamed to mention in polite company (not here, though) which I enjoy the hell out of.

>>I too have a tire-iron, Mr. Long. I may never have brandished it, but I could learn...<<
It's all in the wrist.

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Richard Valley

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 6 00 1:31 PM

>>Apparently Mr. Ken doesn't agree, but I think STRANGLER OF THE SWAMP is an exceptional little flick.<<

Mr. Ken places great store (or is that BIG STORE) by filmmakers with a personal vision who try something different etc. etc. etc. and it doesn't matter to him if they succeed or fail--but that doesn't seem to hold when it's a film he doesn't like.

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 6 00 3:46 PM

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<<There are films I am ashamed to mention in polite company (not here, though) which I enjoy the hell out of.>>

Well, whoever said this was polite company?

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 6 00 3:54 PM

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<<Mr. Ken places great store (or is that BIG STORE) by filmmakers with a personal vision who try something different etc. etc. etc. and it doesn't matter to him if they succeed or fail--but that doesn't seem to hold when it's a film he doesn't like.>>

Actually, if Mr. Valley had read a little more carefully, he would see that I have a good deal of respect for the film in question. And there IS a difference between enjoying and admiring. I enjoy ROAD TO ZANZIBAR more than CITIZEN KANE, but I'm not calling it a better film. As for Wisbar's personal vision...was there really one? Or is STRANGLER a fluke? Where did it go between STRANGLER and DEVIl BAT'S DAUGHTER? And presumably since he had producer status on DAUGHTER he had some degree of control.

Richard Valley

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 7 00 2:19 AM

Are you suggesting that, for an artist to have a personal vision or create a work of art, that vision must be on display in virtually everything he does? Isn't it possible to put everything you have to say into one single work without it being dismissed with the word "fluke?"

HarryLong

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 7 00 12:32 PM

Hey, fellas.
This is the PRC board. Remember?

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 7 00 1:04 PM

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<<Are you suggesting that, for an artist to have a personal vision or create a work of art, that vision must be on display in virtually everything he does? Isn't it possible to put everything you have to say into one single work without it being dismissed with the word "fluke?">>

Fascinating though STRANGLER OF THE SWAMP is, eerie and even poetic as it is, it seems vaguely reasonable that some of that should have rubbed off on DEVIL BAT'S DAUGHTER and it sure doesn't. As I said, this question is compounded for me by Wisbar's status as producer on the film, meaning he pretty much had complete control. As for an artist putting everything he had into one single work, yes, I suppose that's possible, but it seems rather peculiar.

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC vs Monogram

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Nov 7 00 1:06 PM

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<<Hey, fellas.
This is the PRC board. Remember?>>

Then give me a semiotic reading of THE BLACK RAVEN.

Richard Valley

One Hit Wonders

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Nov 7 00 2:05 PM

>>As for an artist putting everything he had into one single work, yes, I suppose that's possible, but it seems rather peculiar.<<

Can't possibly imagine why. There are examples galore of writers who have had one great play, songwriters who have had one great song, singers who record one great hit . . .

Ken Hanke

Re: One Hit Wonders

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Nov 8 00 1:37 AM

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Oh, no doubt, but it still seems to me that the works themselves are pretty much flukes--unless you would include such one-shots as Laughton directing NIGHT OF THE HUNTER.

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HarryLong

Re: One Hit Wonders

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Nov 8 00 12:07 PM

>>semiotic<<
Is that the fluid that makes the sheets stiff after a wet dream?

Ken Hanke

Re: One Hit Wonders

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Nov 8 00 12:27 PM

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>>semiotic<<

<<Is that the fluid that makes the sheets stiff after a wet dream? >>

Critically speaking, there is a certainly similarity.

HarryLong

Re: One Hit Wonders

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Nov 8 00 2:38 PM

"Criticism = Onanism" will be Ken's next book (after he polishes off the Fisher and Bava projects).

Erich Kuersten

PRC

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Nov 9 00 2:18 PM

Having just seen both Wisbar films and a slew of Ulmer PRCS for the first time, I'm so impressed I think I love PRC.

I also think you have to take into account that PRC was undoubtedly a sort of place where finished or not you had to have your homework in by Friday. No matter how much creative control you had, that was a big factor I'm sure in quality. Ulmer did DETOUR but he also did forgettable stuff like JIVE JUNCTION (which I admit I havent seen). At any rate, DEVIL BATS DAUGHTER is more enjoyable (I thought) then Ulmer's very similar DAUGHTER OF DR. JECKYLL. Though JECKYLL did have Barry Fitzgerald's brother with long teeth.

So what happened to Wisbar? He made a couple PRC pictures to wile away the time, and then once Germany had its electricity back, he returned?

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC

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Nov 9 00 3:46 PM

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Ah, Eric, I'd have to split with you over DAUGHTER OF DR. JEKYLL, but that's a childhood memory, too, so I'm probably biased. Actually, even as an admirer of Bad Cinema I found DEVIL BAT'S DAUGHTER pretty tough to sit through--and probably wouldn't have if I hadn't been reviewing the disc!

As for whatever become of Wisbar...anyone know?

Richard Valley

Re: PRC

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Nov 9 00 9:41 PM

I thought DAUGHTER OF DR. JEKYLL was a real dog when I was a kid and had hopes that my opinion would be improved by the recent DVD release. It wasn't. It very much wasn't.

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC

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Nov 10 00 2:43 AM

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<<I thought DAUGHTER OF DR. JEKYLL was a read dog when I was a kid>>

That ain't no dog, ya big ninny, it's a werewolf.

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC

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Nov 10 00 1:02 PM

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Obviously, Mr. Vallee ought to have corrected his typo in my response as well...

HarryLong

Re: PRC

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Nov 10 00 2:20 PM

>>That ain't no dog, ya big ninny, it's a werewolf. <<
If it looks like a dog, runs like a dog, whines like a dog and stains your carpets like a dog ... it's a dog (or a certain ex-trick whose name is not be invoked ever again).
THE DAUGHTER OF DR. JEKYLL is so bad it's just pathetic and one of the Top Ten reasons why it's sometimes difficult to defend Ulmer's reputation as a great artist who could work miracles on a teeny budget. I'm very much an Ulmer admirer but THE DAUGHTER OF DR. JEKYLL is really a case of turning a sow's ear into a sow's ear.

Ken Hanke

Re: PRC

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Nov 10 00 2:24 PM

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<<If it looks like a dog, runs like a dog, whines like a dog and stains your carpets like a dog ... it's a dog (or a certain ex-trick whose name is not be invoked ever again).>>

David Manners had the same problem in DRACULA...

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