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kevin g shinnick	THE 8TH VOYAGE OF SINBAD	Lead	[-]
Posts: 10414 (12/18/08 11:24 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None from Scott Essman Adam Shankman, director of HAIRSPRAY and numerous light romantic comedies, and a longtime choreographer, is in final negotiations to develop and direct "The 8th Voyage of Sinbad," Columbia's retelling of the classic myth featuring Sinbad the Sailor. Neal Moritz is producing through his Original Film banner. HUH?????? I hope Ray Harryhausen is never informed of this decision or it might do him in. Remember that John Chambers died just weeks after the PLANET OF THE APES remake came out and Fay Wray died during the production of the KING KONG remake.
kevin g shinnick	TR2N	#1	[-]
Posts: 10415 (12/18/08 11:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If ever a film didn't need a sequel, this is it-- and yet....... http://teaser-trailer.com...ron-2-better-version.html
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#2	[-]
Posts: 1252 (12/29/08 02:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Say, what's TRON doing in SINBAD (so to speak)? I'm highly skeptical about anyone successfully carrying on Harryhausen's work. The three SINBAD's are great cornball fun and I enjoy dusting them off and rewatching them from time to time, but I can't imagine this doing justice to the glory days of Dynamation. John Singleton was an interesting choice, but Shankman seems out of left field. I don't think much of his work as a comedy director where he seems to be following Shaun Levy's lead, but his background as a choreographer interests me as that might be the one point in his favor for directing a film that should require a great deal of fencing. I'm resigned to the fact that if it gets made, it will have CGI beasts and be indistinguishable from 9/10 of everything else in multiplexes every summer. Nowadays, a franchise's recognizable theme is the only real claim to identity they have. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
bengi		#3	[-]
Posts: 1857 (12/29/08 02:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wasn't there talk a few years ago about Keanu starring in a Sinbad remake? Ben
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#4	[-]
Posts: 1253 (12/29/08 03:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yep, that was when John Singleton was attached to direct I believe. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
Ken Hanke		#5	[-]
Posts: 47966 (12/29/08 06:10 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'll be a little surprised if this actually happens. If it does happen, I anticipate a huge flop. I don't see selling this kind of thing to kids -- with or without new state-of-the-art effects. Let's face it, the originals are hardly high-water marks in film, and apart from their quaintness are of more interest as nostalgia or as part of the history of film.
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#6	[-]
Posts: 1254 (12/30/08 09:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well the appeal of the originals has everything to do with one's appreciation of stop-motion animation. Harryhausen's fantasy pictures were unique in the fifties, sixties, and seventies. The trouble with CGI is it all looks the same and there's nothing remotely special about it. While Willis O'Brien wasn't nearly as prolific, the same argument can be made about the difference between his KING KONG, Rick Baker in a gorilla suit with a hydraulic arm, and WETA's CGI gorilla. One has style, the others lack identity regardless of the achievement in bringing them to the screen. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
Ken Hanke		#7	[-]
Posts: 47977 (12/30/08 10:30 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think you overstate the case in general, though I confess I have very little particular appreciation for stop-motion in and of itself. Much as I dislike the greater portion of things CGI, I've no great fondness for the Harryhausen stuff either. Unique? Sure, but it's not believable and it's usually at the service of films that are just not that good so far as I'm concerned.
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#8	[-]
Posts: 1257 (12/30/08 12:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, I agree stop motion effects were never believeable, but we both grew up in times when horror and sci-fi was rarely believeable. Are the effects servicing pictures that aren't that good to start with? In general, yes I also agree (JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS might have the best script, but I'm splitting hairs). I also agreed with your sentiment as a kid when I would eagerly await the next set piece because I found the dialogue and human characters so damn tedious whether it was Harryhausen or Godzilla or KING KONG. As a teen who would sometimes re-visit these pictures if no one was around, there was now the odd bit of eye-candy to appreciate (in my case, Caroline Munro) but that's just doing the best with what you've got in front of you. I don't disagree with anything you say, I just find it applies to nearly every genre film and not just Harryhausen's. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
Ken Hanke		#9	[-]
Posts: 47986 (12/30/08 03:32 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It may be a definitional difference, but there's something a lot harder for me to buy about this sort of thing than Lugosi in a cape or Karloff made up as the Monster. Plus, there's the whole scripting problem. I'd agree that JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS is probably the best screenplay, but what does that say? That it's better than BRIDE OF THE MONSTER, but not quite up to the level of THE MAGIC SWORD? And then there's the direction and acting...can you make a solid case for that? (The possible exception to all of this is FIRST MEN IN THE MOON, which is a little different than the giant monsters/walking skeleton stuff.) Nothing you're saying really does anything to drag these movies past the realm of nostalgia (more for out childhoods than the movies themselves). Saying that they're no more unbelievable than other genre films doesn't improve them -- nor, for me, does it quite wash, because there are acting, scripting, directorial and even thematic compensations in these other unbelievable films.
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#10	[-]
Posts: 1258 (12/30/08 05:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Aw, heck, Ken. Its the usual deal where I read what you write and think I agree or at least largely agree with you and you read what I write and come away muttering that my tastes are gauche and provincial (yes, I'm paraphrasing, exaggerating, and quite likely tarring and feathering you with Harry). To your point, no I can't (nor did I try to ever) make a case for the direction and acting (hence the reference to appreciating incidental eye-candy by my teen years). And yes, I did lump 99% of all genre films in the same pot, but you cite Universal's DRACULA and FRANKENSTEIN (which fall in my 1% camp) and I deliberately cited GODZILLA and KING KONG. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
Ken Hanke		#11	[-]
Posts: 48006 (12/31/08 02:52 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, if we put it on that basis, I still find more entertainment value in KING KONG (though I'm not morbid about it) than in any Harryhausen picture, and a lot more thematic interest in GODZILLA than in either.
Kevin		#12	[-]
Posts: 1398 (01/03/09 01:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD is one of the best fantasy films ever made and never fails to entertain me when I watch it. I also am still happily under the spell of JASON, SEVENTH VOYAGE, and in its own, god-awful loopy way, CLASH OF THE TITANS. I don't think this will get made because I can't see Hollywood trying to sell an Arabian hero in the midst of the current political climate.
David Morrill		#13	[-]
Posts: 12367 (01/03/09 01:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	> I can't see Hollywood trying to sell an Arabian hero in the midst of the current political climate. As Arabian as Kerwin Matthews and Katherine Grant?
HarryLong		#14	[-]
Posts: 18451 (01/04/09 01:42 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, at least as Arabian as Patrick Wayne and Jane Seymour ...
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#15	[-]
Posts: 1268 (01/04/09 04:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Exactly. That would be like Disney making ALADDIN during the first Gulf War and having him resemble a cartoon version of Tom Cruise. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards
Ken Hanke		#16	[-]
Posts: 48067 (01/04/09 09:14 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Naw, if he was supposed to look like Cruise, he'd more resemble Mickey Mouse.
johnmm001		#17	[-]
Posts: 1026 (01/05/09 12:55 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd rather watch Jason and the Argonauts than Citizen Kane, or about a thousand other films. Shankman directing anything leaves me ice cold. I think he's mediocre, at best. ________________________ That fat girl's not competition! White trash plain and simple! For all we know she could be high yellow.
kevin g shinnick		#18	[-]
Posts: 10527 (01/05/09 08:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CITIZEN KANE & THE ARGONAUTS?
bengi		#19	[-]
Posts: 1870 (01/05/09 09:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Orson Welles in a loincloth? Ben
The Right Honourable Bill Maynard		#20	[-]
Posts: 1270 (01/05/09 01:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I own a good many horror and sci-fi films on DVD, several Harryhausen pictures among them - however valuing JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS (also my favorite Harryhausen effort) above CITIZEN KANE is not something I could honestly do. There are times I feel I belong on genre sites like this and other times like I feel I just wandered into a Star Trek convention and realized I'm the only person that can't speak Klingon. "Madness does not preclude achievement." - Blake Edwards

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