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Ron Morgan |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
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Poor Ken, unable to get your TENANT fix. It must be especially irritating since the DVD is an absolutely beautiful thing with a stunning transfer that exposes a good deal more of the frame than the old VHS. The frustration must certainly be compounded by the fact that the print is in near-pristine shape, offering incredible layers of detail and color that the VHS version didn't even hint at. Then when you add on the fact that that this glorious package costs less than ten dollars- boy it must be almost unbearable...
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Ken Hanke |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
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I suspect that a concerted search of local stores will unearth it. I may try that as soon as later this afternoon in fact...
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Ron Morgan |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
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Well, good luck. If you have any Media Plays in the area that's where I found my copy. Best Buy, as usual, had no clue as to whether or not they were getting it.
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Marc E McCloud |
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Haven't seen THE TENANT around yet. I'm probably going to pick that one up too.
The Kmart is the one on S Tunnel, but already looks picked through. I went to the one on Patton and got the ABOMINABLE SNOWMAN and WATCHER IN THE WOODS for 5.99 each. marc |
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Ken Hanke |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
Quote: Well, the one here doesn't have it, nor does Circuit City... |
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Michael Michalski |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
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I believe the film was just released on the first of this month. I'm sure you'll find it soon enough (although there's no WAY it will be as cheap as $8.99 CANADIAN - that's like $6 U.S.) You say this flick IYO is better than CHINATOWN? Wow - looking forward to it even more now. But speaking of Polanski, and not to get into a huge discussion here over it (as I'm sure it is covered elsewhere on the boards) but were you at all disappointed in THE PIANIST? I was - I mean, you just hear SO much about how great a flick is - I guess a letdown was inevitable. I thought it was quite good, just not the avowed "masterpiece" as it is being lauded. -M
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kevin g shinnick |
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I was in awe of THE PIANIST, but more disappointed in the averqage audience that such a powerful film was taking less at the box office than fare like SNOW DOGS...even after the Oscar wins....
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John of Troy |
TENANTS, ANYONE? | ||
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Ken, have you located a copy? Don't bother with Tower, they're letting it go for 16.99...
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Ken Hanke |
Re: THE TENANT | ||
Quote: Let's define our terms and what we're looking for here. I like CHINATOWN, but I don't rank it anywhere near the top of Polanski films. It's brilliantly made and a great film -- and there's a lot of Polanski in it -- but I don't find it as satisfying as Polanski's more obviously personal work like THE TENANT, THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS, and TESS -- all of which I prefer as Polanski films. For that matter, I'd probably be more inclined to watch THE NINTH GATE, CUL-DE-SAC, and even the much maligned (and very flawed) PIRATES, though I doubt I would claim they are better than CHINATOWN. And that brings us to.... Quote: In one sense, yes. And it's in much the same sense that I mean when I referred to CHINATOWN. Let me see what I wrote when I reviewed it. That will probably make my point. Probably no filmmaker working today is so uniquely qualified to make a film about the holocaust as Roman Polanski. Polanski himself lived through those years as a young Jewish man in Poland. His own mother died in the Nazi gas chambers. It is therefore natural that he should turn his attention to the subject with this film version of the autobiography of pianist Wladyslaw Szpilman. The resulting film is one of the best works -- if not the best work -- on the subject. Though it inevitably invites comparison with Spielbergs Schindlers List, Polanskis is a very different film -- a more deeply disturbing one, and one that does not get the importance of the subject tangled up with the importance of the film. (This is perhaps why Polanski turned down Spielbergs original offer that he should direct Schindlers List.) However sincere and well-intentioned Spielbergs film is, its too clearly the work of a man deliberately making a movie in an effort to be taken more seriously. Polanski -- regardless of how you feel about his work -- has no need of proving himself a serious filmmaker. Moreover, Spielbergs film is essentially an outsiders view. Polanskis is an insiders view -- in more ways than one. It isnt just that Polanski was himself there. Its also that The Pianist is taken from a first-person story of one who lived through this. What we see on the screen is a depiction of what Szpilman saw. There are no great heroes here -- only persecutors, victims, and survivors. Even more, there are numerous instances of things being left open-ended. People are ripped out of Szpilmans life and are simply never seen again. Dont expect the narrative to branch off and follow their fates. Szpilman wasnt able to experience this kind of closure and Polanskis film is respectful of this fact. This lack of tidy closure is part of what makes The Pianist such a disturbing work. It also imparts something of the feelings that were experienced by those in the Warsaw ghetto -- at least through the eyes of one man, Wladyslaw Szpilman (Adrien Brody). Szpilman is himself an unusual character. Polanki nails this in the films opening scene with Szpilman in a radio studio when the first Nazi bombs fall on Warsaw. Rather than flee in terror, Szpilman keeps right on playing -- mindless of the fact that the broadcast is obviously ruined and no one is likely to still be listening. Its key to realize that this is not a show of heroics on Szplimans part. Rather its the depiction of a man who is totally absorbed in his own world -- a man who simply doesnt acknowledge whats going on outside or that his world could possibly change. He clings to his normal world because he cant imagine it changing. His entire attitude is summed up by his declaration that he isnt going anywhere. He remains calm and even somewhat complacent about the invasion of the Nazis, thinking that the English and French will quickly defeat the enemy. Szpilman tries to ignore what is taking place until he can ignore it no more -- until he and his family are stripped of their belongings and moved into the Warsaw ghetto. Even as it becomes impossible for him to ignore the war and the extermination of his people, Szpilman never turns heroic. He simply survives -- and not on his own. He is kept from boarding a train that would have led to his death with the rest of his family by a strangely sympathetic Nazi collaborator (part of a traitorous Jewish police force created by the Nazis). He is later aided by other concentration camp prisoners in escaping, and then hidden outside the ghetto by other sympathetic persons. This is not a movie about cleverly avoiding Nazi capture. Its a movie about chance and luck and the kindness of others. Its a movie about surviving -- and, more, about the indomitability of the human spirit. Polanski deftly sketches the experiences in numerous -- often hearbreaking -- ways. Perhaps the most touching scene in the film is a last meal for the family where they pay an exorbitant price (by pooling their funds) for a single caramel that is then carefully divided among them. The most pathetic is probably the image of the ill and defeated Szpilman tenaciously clinging to a large can of pickles in the hope of finding some way to open it. The most moving is a moment where Szpilman is asked to prove his skills as a pianist for a sympathetic Nazi officer. Polanski admirers may find the film somewhat lacking in his personal style -- the business with the can of pickles and a misunderstanding involving Szpilman in a German officers coat are the most identifiably Polanski-esque elements in the film -- but this is case where the filmmaker is content to simply present the story in the most effective way possible. What is personal to Polanski is inherent in the material and he respects that enough to let it speak for itself. And speak it does eloquently, shatteringly, tragically, but in a manner that finally celebrates life and the mere act of surviving as heroic on its own merits. I think there's something of that in CHINATOWN -- that Polanski is respectful of the material and tends to give it its lead. At the same time, I don't think it's anywhere near Polanski's finest, despite its merits. As I wrote at the time of his Oscar win: Did Polanski deserve the award? Thats a hard call. The Pianist is a great film -- possibly the best film ever made on the subject of the Holocaust. And it may be Polanskis most intensely personal work, but its also one of the least Polanskiesque of all his films. That, of course, may be why the voters went for it, since the Academy has a tendency to give out awards to people more when they depart from that which they are known for than otherwise. The Pianist also falls under the safe rule for the Academy, being an obviously serious and sincere work. |
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Ken Hanke |
Re: TENANTS, ANYONE? | ||
Quote: Not so far. Marc McLeod asked if I'd tried Barnes and Noble, but that's list price city. I can't bother with Tower in any case, since we haven't one. |
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Richard Valley |
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I like CHINATOWN, but I don't rank it anywhere near the top of Polanski films.
I do. In fact, I rank CHINATOWN in my Top Five Best Films by Anyone. Of course, this goes back to one of the earliest debates here on the Street. A film doesn't get extra points from me because it's a more "personal" work. And a flawed personal film doesn't interest me nearly as much as a perfect impersonal one . . . |
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Michael Michalski |
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Interesting take Ken, referring to your method of rating a director's body of work (individually) according to the degree each film personally reflects the director themselves. Also, much thanks for 'reprinting' your review of The Pianist for me here. Excellent reading.
However, invariably this leads me to another question, namely how would one not familiar with a director's entire body of work (as well as, for that matter, details of his personal life, given that the majority of directors - Polanski obviously excluded - do not have the flashing neon signposts known to even the most elementary of viewers) be able to employ this method? For failing at least a menial understanding of the director psychologically (and the methods thereby employed to demonstrate or examine parts of this makeup therein upon the screen) this proves a difficult barometer to put to use on any sort of regular basis, albeit a fascinating one, in my opinion. Do you simply look for things in the work itself that stand out, such as reoccurring themes and the like? And when can you make the determination via this method that this IS in fact a theme reflective of the director personally, as opposed to merely an avenue chosen to explore for reasons altogether different (such as studio insistence, for example)? Further to this point - what other directors can you point out that reflect this unique slant of yours - namely, that their 'best' or most-acclaimed film is not (in your opinion) their best work given the lack of real lifeblood therein? And lastly who in your opinion is the most personal of all directors (past or present) with the fewest examples of deviating from this method? Conversely, who is the most acclaimed director IYO that consciously steered clear of this approach? And a flawed personal film doesn't interest me nearly as much as a perfect impersonal one I would be inclined to believe this as well Richard (I mean, when the credits start to roll, either you liked it or you didn't regardless of how true it was to the director) although, naturally, using other barometers (such as Ken's) to evaluate films is what makes discussions such as these so compelling to me, personally. -M
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jmaci(d) |
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And what about REPULSION? A supremely executed nightmare. I think it's much better than THE TENANT.
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Ken Hanke |
Re: Personally speaking . . . | ||
Quote: Now, that's tricky -- and it's probably impossible for a casual filmgoer, though they may, of course, use what someone like myself writes as a starting point for a guideline. It's an approach that only works on a personal level once you're familiar with at least a representative cross-section of someone's work. I am presupposing, though, that in the case of film fans, there's a tendency to see a film by a director and be intrigued enough to search out other examples of his work. That at least is my approach and it always has been. Generally speaking -- so long as we aren't talking about filmmakers who are obviously of the hired-gun variety -- the movies themselves should offer up enough information to be able to reach some kind of conclusion. And there is almost always some body of literature on the filmmaker if you care to search it out, so while a given filmmaker may not be as notoriously high profile as Polanski, the information is usually out there if you're interested enough to find it. Quote: Looking for -- or even just stumbling on -- recurring themes, similar approaches to scenes, similar approaches to material is a starting point. The latter part of your question is a more likely possibility if you're dealing with an old Hollywood director where studio insistence would be more common -- where in fact being a studio director was common (I can't think of anyone who currently fits that category because studios just don't employ house directors anymore). And while the studio imprint is going to be on those films, it's not unreasonable to draw some conclusions from the films -- assuming you see a number of them and a number of films from other directors made at the same studio at the same time. Quote: The easy one there is Ken Russell. WOMEN IN LOVE simply isn't, in my book, anywhere near his best film, though it's the most universally praised. Leo McCarey won an Oscar for directing THE AWFUL TRUTH in 1937, and it's not undeserved, but I think he made an even better movie the same year, MAKE WAY FOR TOMORROW. I could go on with examples of Richard Lester and John Boorman and not have to pause to give it much thought. I don't, however, think my slant is especially unique. You'll find it in most instances where someone is talking about a filmmaker -- or even an actor -- who is of particular importance to them. Barbara Leaming maintained that CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT was a better film than CITIZEN KANE. A lot of people make a similar claim for THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS. And these judgments tend to be fluid. Prior to Pauline Kael stubbornly refusing to accept A NIGHT AT THE OPERA as the ne plus ultra of Marx Bros. films, it was the conventional choice. Then mood and taste swung to her side and DUCK SOUP became the major choice. That could -- and perhaps should -- change again. Changes in perception and deeper understanding of these movies is part of what keeps them alive and vibrant. Quote: Virtually no one really qualifies. The problem is that nearly all directors have peak periods when their clout to make the films they want is at its highest. Sternberg, Mamoulian, Whale, all had this. Russell had it. Lester had it. Often times, a director pushes personal filmmaking too far and they get knocked down to a degree where their freedom is impinged (Sternberg with THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN, Lester with THE BED-SITTING ROOM, Russell with LISZTOMANIA, etc.). Or it can simply be changing fashions or a lot of factors. Exceptions might be made for Hitchcock, Preston Sturges (only because when he fell, he really fell), Lubitsch, and maybe Billy Wilder. I'm not sure what you mean by directors who steered clear of this, though I'm guessing you mean something like who never made personal films and still made great movies. If so, the easy answer is Michael Curtiz. Quote: It's largely a difference in taste and what you're wanting from a film. I'll almost always not only value a personal film more than an impersonal one -- warts and all -- but I'll usually like it better (I might even like the warts). |
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Ken Hanke |
Re: Polanski | ||
Quote: I have never warmed to REPULSION, despite its many qualities and the fact that Polanski left his fingerprints all over it. It has always felt to me very much like the exploitation film it was that he made for no other reason than to get the deal to make CUL-DE-SAC. |
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77Jerry |
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<I have never warmed to REPULSION>
How funny, we are in complete agreement about Repulsion and Rosemary's Baby, two almost universally loved Polanski films. I'll take Macbeth or Chinatown any day. Cul De Sac is the Polanski film I most want to see at this point but I'm hoping for a DVD release sometime. |
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jmaci(d) |
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I have never warmed to REPULSION, despite its many qualities and the fact that Polanski left his fingerprints all over it. It has always felt to me very much like the exploitation film it was that he made for no other reason than to get the deal to make CUL-DE-SAC. I could not disagree more. After very recently seeing it again, I would say REPULSION is an example of a great director's ability to control and pace his narrative so that it achieves a strong, cumulative effect in the end. Just look at the way all the motifs in the film (mainly visual ones) are used, then re-used with slight variation. The film, with its limited 'storyline' and limited setting, never resorts to simplistic repetition to hammer home a point. Take, for instance, the rotting rabbit carcass: its revolting imagery is never over-used, rather is its seen from slightly different angles and in slightly different contexts, adding to the hallucinatory texture of the film. As for ROSEMARY'S BABY: this is also a masterfully paced film. It has what I consider a major characteristic of a great director--it is always interesting. Polanski finds interesting solutions to every problem the narrative suggests and seems always to choose ambiguity in favor of mere shock-effect. This is a horror film for adults, in the sense that its ideas are more interesting than what it actually shows (which is, frankly, very little). These films (along with CHINATOWN and A KNIFE IN THE WATER) contrast with THE TENANT because they are unpredictable, or hard to predict at first viewing. I was sorely disapointed seeing THE TENANT again, when I realized, correctly, where the film was going with the main character's situation. This is not to discount Polanski's expert realization along the way, with many fine, memorable touches. I just feel it runs out of steam about 2/3 of the way through. *******************************
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Ken Hanke |
Re: Polanski | ||
Quote: REPULSION just doesn't work for me. I can see the craftsmanship, but it doesn't ever become anything more than an exercise in style. It doesn't help that I don't give a damn about the characters. ROSEMARY'S BABY is just plain boring in my book. |
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Ken Hanke |
Re: Polanski | ||
Quote: Wanna buy my old 16mm copy? |
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Ken Hanke |
Re: Polanski | ||
Quote: One man's masterful is another man's funereal. Quote: Well, no film is hard to predict on a second viewing. I'd agree that CHINATOWN was unpredictable, but that's sort of the nature of the genre, since it is a mystery. REPULSION doesn't seem at all unpredictable to me, nor does ROSEMARY'S BABY, but that might be unfair since it's almost impossible to have seen it without knowing a lot of the story beforehand. (I haven't seen KNIFE in years, but wasn't very taken with it when I did, so I'll leave it out.) Quote: Again, I would assume that you would realize where it was going if you were seeing it again. To me, THE TENANT is a more personal and more successful variant on REPULSION. I really find THE TENANT an involving, intensely creepy character study -- born to some extent of the burden of being a foreigner in Paris. Where REPULSION merely exists as a mood piece, this is actually about something. By the time we meet the character in REPULSION, she's already 'round the bend and all we see is her final descent into a madness the source of which is never even hinted at -- apart from the idea planted by the photo at the end that it was always there. In THE TENANT we watch a gradual deterioration of a rather drab, neurotic man, who at least is within the bounds of sanity when we meet him -- and where we can the things that push him to the extremes of the film. Did I find it predictable in 1976? I don't think I did. |
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