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MKarnstein

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Jun 6 08 11:40 AM

"The Return of Dracula" truly is an oddity. Francis Lederer's performance is very, very cold indeed. Of course, the fact that they used the same cemetary for the "Transylvanian" opening as well as the American setting is pretty obvious, but the film is fascinating.

The scene where John Beal kills the old lady in "The Vampire", with her little dog watching, is chilling and touching (I'm a big dog lover)...and the scene where he stuffs Dabbs Greer into the furnace is chilling.

It's pretty obvious that the folks at Gramercy were watching the Hammer films, as the staking scene in "Return of Dracula" is obviously "inspired" by "Horror of Dracula", and the aforementioned scene of Beal stuffing Greer into the furnace seems influenced by "Revenge of Frankenstein"...

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David Morrill

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Jun 6 08 12:08 PM

> It's pretty obvious that the folks at Gramercy were watching the Hammer films, as the staking scene in "Return of Dracula" is obviously "inspired" by "Horror of Dracula", and the aforementioned scene of Beal stuffing Greer into the furnace seems influenced by "Revenge of Frankenstein"...

I'd somehow doubt it. RETURN OF DRACULA was in theaters by April, 1958. THE VAMPIRE came out the previous year.

HORROR OF DRACULA wasn't released in the US until 8 May, and REVENGE OF FRANKENSTEIN not until 1 June of 1958.

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HarryLong

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Jun 6 08 2:02 PM

So on top of everything else, those folks at Gramercy were psychic!!!!

The Mysterious Mr. Long

kevin g shinnick

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Sep 22 08 7:45 AM

& people can read more about them in issue #2 of SCARLET THE FILM MAGAZINE!

Lelia Loban

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Sep 22 08 10:37 AM

Wow, I'd forgotten how long ago I researched Gramercy until I re-read this thread. Richard based my deadline on scheduling the article for Scarlet Street no. 56, the issue he was working on before he died. I don't know whether he ever started editing the article. I never could pin him down to a word count any more specific than, "No fewer than 7,000 words," so I sent him about 12,000 with breakaway joints in case he meant to splice the material into multiple parts. That's also the mss I sent to Harry -- stuck him with what must have been a hellacious job of editing down to fit a more exactly defined space! I'm glad the two-parter found a home in Scarlet. The experience made me realize what a yawning niche the end of Scarlet Streetleft behind and how glad I am (as a reader, not just as a writer) that the advent of Scarlet meant that niche didn't stay empty.

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HarryLong

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Sep 22 08 11:16 AM

Actually, Lelia, the space was not exactly defined until I began putting the issue together. I'm very much a believer that with an experienced writer each article will find its proper length. I'm more likely to send an article back to a writer when I find it "too thin" as I like to phrase it. I did determine as the issue was coming together that the piece would have to run in two parts or risk not having enough variety in an issue already top-heavy with Poe. Once the number of pages I could allow the article had been determined (and after upping the page count on the issue twice!) I did trim a few more things to make it fit.

The Mysterious Mr. Long

Lelia Loban

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Sep 22 08 3:20 PM

I don't mind trimming when a good editor does it. Harry's good, btw, so other writers need not fear!

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kevin g shinnick

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Oct 3 08 7:37 AM

just tell Harry not to run with the editing scissors.. =)

HarryLong

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Oct 3 08 12:14 PM

I only run with the scissors when I'm pursuing you.

The Mysterious Mr. Long

Lelia Loban

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Oct 3 08 1:31 PM

I'm imagining this scenario as filmed by Gramercy in 1957....

Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!

BEWARE! as the Editor retrieves his best pair of Wiss from the strange little man with the whetstone who travels from fabric store to fabric store!

SCREAM! with the Publisher, running for his life!

THRILL as Cranky Hanke steps on the gas ... but he'll arrive too late to save the Publisher from ...

SCISSOR-SHARPENING SATURDAY!!!

A registered nurse will stand by in the theater lobby in case you FAINT FROM FRIGHT!!

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kevin g shinnick

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Nov 4 08 9:05 AM

Lucky for me I can still outrun him..... unlucky for me I am a klutz who would probably trip...

Maleva

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Nov 5 08 12:35 AM

Another klutz??

Today, I fell over a scratching post that has been in the same place for three years!

I think the SCARLET staff needs to take out life insurance.

You say "Wicked" , like it's a bad thing.

kevin g shinnick

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Nov 5 08 8:23 AM

Well, if you scratched yourself, the post works.... =)

HarryLong

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Nov 5 08 11:01 AM

>>I think the SCARLET staff needs to take out life insurance.<,
As a result of a conversation here at the agency the other week, it had crossed my mind that we should each have a policy with the magazine as beneficiary...

The Mysterious Mr. Long

Lelia Loban

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Nov 5 08 2:50 PM

>>As a result of a conversation here at the agency the other week, it had crossed my mind that we should each have a policy with the magazine as beneficiary...
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WARNING!
Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!
THE MOST LIKELY SUSPECT...
SEEN running with SCISSORS, chasing the innocent VICTIM who just took out that whopping big life insurance policy!
THROWN into the DARKEST HELLISH PIT of an obscure FEDERAL PRISON!
In SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, unable to communicate even with his sobbing, pleading attorney,
UNTIL....
The eyewitness who came forward reveals
THAT FATAL SECRET of the tattered magazine pages ...
The Secret of the
SCARLET MYSTERY!!!
Filmed in Flesh-O-Rama with Scream-A-Coustics!

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kevin g shinnick

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Nov 5 08 11:21 PM

I think if we cross insured, it would turn into TEN LITTLE INDIANS......

Maleva

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Nov 5 08 11:56 PM

<<<<Well, if you scratched yourself, the post works.... =) >>>

Nothing that graceful. I was straightening things up at my usual break neck speed and bruised my leg and clipped a kitty while I was falling.
Never fear Kitty got copious apologies and extra treats.

You say "Wicked" , like it's a bad thing.

HarryLong

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Nov 6 08 10:37 AM

I think they deliberately get underfoot for that very reason.
("Heh-heh-heh. If I put my tail where he'll step on it he'll give me treats and lots of petting.")

The Mysterious Mr. Long

Lelia Loban

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Nov 6 08 11:54 AM

Late-lamented Toe-Cat used to delight in trotting down the stairs after me, then suddenly darting forward and winding himself around my legs in an affectionate manner when I'd walked about halfway down. He was uncannily good at hopping ahead quickly enough to avoid getting trampled himself, as I flailed to avoid pitching the rest of the way down the stairs.

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Maleva

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Nov 7 08 12:14 AM

Ah, yes, kitty on stairs.

My late little seven pound Mau managed to escape the fall down the stairs with a laundry basket as she blithely jumped to safey and I literally broke a tail-bone.

You say "Wicked" , like it's a bad thing.

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